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[Regud]

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[Half Ton]

proud to say I never thought such a thing in this case, and proud that disussion of the topic has been allowed to continue on the MB

These are good steps

[MaxTexan]

thanks to both Regud and Maggie for their posts

[Regud]

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[Regud]

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[Chester]

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[CAPTAIN ALEVE]

Let's paddle!

Mike Coogan

[Eric Esche]

Always a great idea!

Let's paddle!

Mike Coogan

[okieboater]

I'm for that! Like some others, 2011 was not my best year for boating. Looking forward to many days on the water in 2012. Being on the water cures a lot of problems.

[Half Ton]

I never saw the problem with this post. Missed the action again!

Paddling does cure many things as okie said. Bring on the rain!

[JTarver]

I would normally just let this one die, but today I'm not gonna. (mainly because I'm sick and at home bored). While I agree with and appreciate some of Mikes ideas, like anyone else I don't support them all. I can get behind the grass roots effort of raising money for the project and would be happy to help however I could. Mainly what Fish said sparked me a bit, as I'm still under 50 and act childish on many occasions...with little if any regret. That being said, the wave project we are discussing doesn't involve the current wave (at least not on the plans I've seen or discussed), but a wave at the Tanner street site where there is currently rubble, potential due to gradient, and nothing aesthetically pleasing at all but a drinking cul-de-sac.
There's debate on how the build of a feature would affect the upstream feature, and while I'm not a hydrologist, I don't feel it would affect the feature in a negative way so as to make it unusable. Of course, that's where plans and studies come in, so I'd leave that to the wave masters.
I do want to see the wave built, and I do have a dog in the fight...a HUGE, RABID, NEEDS DINGLEBERRIES CUT OUT OF HIS FUR dog. I live 22 miles from Rockport. Door to door. And go there on average 3-4 days a week during summer releases. I take my kids, my dogs, my friends. We clean trash, gather recycling, and have on occasion had to help monitor disputes with the flotsam that shows up from time to time.
The flotsam other than us local boaters, that is.
While we aren't going to agree on methods for fund collection entirely, I think letting the project die on the vine is a mistake, and one I hope we don't make. For those of you that live hours away, we love having you out, and we love your input. Just keep in mind that there are a gaggle of us that go to Rockport more than any other place we go. If you don't want club funds spent on this, that's fine. I can agree with that to some degree. But to say that it should be left alone as a project, I'll never agree with. I don't pretend to know whats best for the Dallas wave, or Wister, or the Tulsa wave. Please have the same respect for our little spot on the river. That's really all I'm asking.
Peace,
Joe

[MaxTexan]

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[Half Ton]

Artificial improvements"for education or fun" can alter fluvialgeomorphology of the stream up and down from the point of "improvement" . Many of those changes even "for fun or education" can have negative impacts for a great many folks.

They can also be done in ways that mitigate negative impacts that are occurring within a stream system. The latter is harder and the former more easy.

Seems like its almost always real hard to do right and real easy to do wrong.

If that "improvement" does ever happen, then I hope it's done in a way that is beneficial all the way around. If it happens any other way, I hope it doesn't ever happen.

As to the vision, it's called conservation, education, and recreation.

in seeing all of the things that are done to streams for "transportation" "playability" "safety" "increasing hydraulic capacity" "out of ignorance" "for aesthetics" and on and on and the problems those things cause that are bad for society, natural heritage, and those that live along the stream. Recreation and education really should not be on the list, when what currently "is" is really good as is.

How bout a simulated whitewater park at wild river country?

[Half Ton]

Check out this sometime when the opportunity arises.

http://www.alpine-eco.com/files/Rosgen_ ... Rivers.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[mgood]

Joe- didn't want you, or anyone, to think that I don't want to see a second ledge built. Just don't think that there needs to be such a ruckus over getting it done.

I trust that those in power saw this discussion, and I bet it will be brought up at the board meeting.

Problem solved. Case closed. Kumbaya.